He Was Just A Man!

I've heard that over and over now
that he is dead and I have started this
blog. I have criticized not the man but his theology
and his ministry methodology.

But while he was alive he was a god in the sight of so many. The Bible was inerrant because he said so. People came to Jesus simply because he ask them. If he said, "don't buy a John MacArthur Study Bible," folks believed him. If he said pickles have souls then you stopped eating pickles! His wife shamelessly sang to him from the same pulpit that God's Word was preached and a teary eyed audience joined her in "man" worship.

Christ died with just a few friends to carry him to a borrowed tomb. Peter and Paul were martyred to the glee of heads of state. Adrian Rogers was memorialized as a head of state and now you say he was just a man!

May I remind you again as I have over and over that he was in close proximity to the worst sin imaginable, an ordained associate raping his own son and keeping it secret for seventeen years.

The lingering question is why didn't Dr Rogers know about it? Was God unable to break through and intervene? Did God let this happen and keep Dr. Rogers in the dark?

Is there something wrong here? Could God's wrath be stirred for some reason unknown to us?

Bellevue has now regrouped and moved on with Steve Gaines leadership. Little by little the church will grow back but where is the legacy that Adrian Rogers left?

Someone's Wonderful Grandmother

I ordered a used theology book over the Internet and I received it in good condition except someone had noted on the dedication page: "To Kim and Tony please read page 82 that is so plain to me and explain so well I love you Nana XXXXX"

So here is page 82 (I'll share the title of the Book later)
Likewise, the idea that man must attain salvation by works or merit - that he must do something in addition to the work of Jesus on the cross in order to be saved, i.e. repent, be baptized, hold out faithful to the end, say the rosary, do penance, etc., adds a variable to the equation of salvation making the outcome uncertain. Salvation by human works puts a question mark where God has put a period. Scripture, however is clear concerning the certainty of salvation (2 Sam. 23:5; 2 Tim. 2:19; Jno. 6:37), a fact that can only be explained if salvation is all of grace and none of works.

The team cooperating in salvation, then, is the monergistic team of Father, Son and Spirit, not the synergistic team of God and man. God the Father began the work in the everlasting covenant. God the son executed the work at the cross of Calvary. God the Holy Spirit applies the work during each individuals natural life. From start to finish, salvation is of the Lord.

Warning To Adrian Rogers' Followers!

The Om SakthiSpiritual Movement (from their website)
Humanity stands at a point in history where the world is shrinking and our different cultures and religions are in conflict. This has the potential to destroy almost everything we have accomplished in our short time on this world. This diversity is the wealth of our world and should be embraced. If people realize that we all share the same God and that He/She has allowed us this diversity so that we can each find our own way to Her/Him, then we can accept our differences and even embrace them in peace."
"Also known as the Adhiparasakthi Movement, the purpose of the Movement is to bring Adhiparasakthi's message to the world and serve humanity by helping those in need. Our Guru, known as Amma (Tamil for mother), is the Guiding Light and Spiritual Force behind the Movement. He/She teaches that the greatest form of worship is service to humanity and that we can all serve God together within our individual religions without strife, thus the motto: "One Mother One World." The Movement undertakes many charitable and educational activities and urges its devotees to take an active role in helping people in their communities."

The message Dr. Rogers preached has the early beginnings of synchronization that makes it acceptable with the Om SakthiSpiritual Movement. His free offer to man is the humanistic leaven that satiates the whole loaf. The modern emergent gospel will be a part of the one world religion ruled by the antichrist!

The biblical message of grace is unacceptable to a one world rule. Election and predestination authored by a sovereign God are incompatible with the World's systems. There is no wiggle room for human reasoning to decide. The principles of grace of necessity must be altered to be considered by the world as acceptable.

If your gospel is derived from a steadfast adherence to Dr Rogers, you should seriously consider the problems and prayerfully study the Bible for a correct course. The problems are not minor as so many say but they are major and they have serious consequences. This is a love worth serious analysis as to its biblical content.

Christmas In New Orleans

Christmas in New Orleans. . . enjoy!

The Righteousness Of The Best Of Us - The Saints Struggle With Original Sin

"Things About Bellevue That Embarrassed Me!" I posted in March

NASS' comment on her blog "... Then Steve Gaines had to do what he does nearly every week and make it about him. He jumped up and immediately broke into an "impromptu" a cappella solo and the congregation soon joined him. Please, pastor, I'm trying to give you some helpful advice here. It's not about you! (Nor is it about Jamie, but The Jamie Show has become a Bellevue staple.) These little spur-of-the-moment, pastoral solos, tacked onto the end of a congregational hymn or inserted into the middle of a sermon are not "impromptu," they unnecessarily and inappropriately call attention to yourself, and IMO they are not conducive to a positive worship experience."

TN Lizzie said...
"One guess where she got the tiara. "There's no telling ~ Craig or her sons? Her DIL's? Any of the Mamas who have been drawn closer to Christ through the Moms ministry? No, I was thinking from Donna Gaines. Do you really think Donna would let go of her tiara?
1:02 AM, December 16, 2008

My comments about Joyce Rogers, NASS' comments about Steve Gaines and Jamie Parker and TN Lizzie's about Donna Gaines are abrasive comments perhaps bordering on unacceptable. However they do point out the consequence of original sin in the lives of the best of believers. They point to the hold that "him who has the power of death" still has over the "not yet glorified" believer. These comments point to the inclination "concupiscence" to evil of even the sanctified. In our battles against the evil of the world and Satan, the least victorious is the battle against the flesh! We can renounce abortion and denounce Satan all the while giving place to the flesh, perhaps the most deceptive of our enemies. We ourselves are our greatest enemy. The sin of Adam and the sin of the world resides potentially in our souls. It is a daily battle to keep ourselves in humble obedience to all God has for us. These failures are so easily hidden until people like NASS, TNLizzie and myself so abrasively point them out.


So often we neglect this aspect of original sin, if we believe in it at all, that not only are the worst of humanity very evil but the best of humanity share in this heritage as well. Scripture says we all have sinned and fallen short of the kingdom of God.


Joyce Rogers, singing to her husband, the pastor of a great church, was drawing attention from the worship of God to the worship of a man. Dr Rogers should have stopped her from this awful show of flesh. If the best of us don't know how to contain the base elements how can the rest of us expect to do the right thing? This is a battle we all must fight and it requires the help of the Holy Spirit daily to do the right thing.

In Praise Of Prevenient Grace"

"And can it be that I should gain"
Charles Wesley


Long my imprisoned spirit lay
Fast bound in sin and nature's night
Thine eye diffused a quickening ray
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light
My chains fell off, my heart was free
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.
My chains fell off, my heart was free
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.

This verse is declaring the wonder of prevenient grace not the new birth. It is praising the enabling grace of God whereby a sinner rises to his feet to make a choice to follow Christ. If a Calvinist sings this song he has to change not the words but the sense of the verse. The Wesley brothers kindly requested that anyone of nonsensical theology please note in the margin or at the bottom of the page that they are not a part of such "dog­ger­el" men who would seek to mend their theology. I beg leave to men­tion a thought which has been long up­on my mind, and which I should long ago have in­sert­ed in the pub­lic pa­pers, had I not been un­will­ing to stir up a nest of horn­ets. Ma­ny gen­tle­men have done my bro­ther and me (though with­out nam­ing us) the hon­our to re­print ma­ny of our hymns. Now they are per­fect­ly wel­come to do so, pro­vid­ed they print them just as they are. But I de­sire they would not at­tempt to mend them, for they are real­ly not able. None of them is able to mend ei­ther the sense or the verse. There­fore, I must beg of them these two fa­vours: ei­ther to let them stand just as they are, to take things for bet­ter or worse, or to add the true read­ing in the mar­gin, or at the bot­tom of the page, that we may no long­er be ac­count­a­ble ei­ther for the non­sense or for the dog­ger­el of other men. -John Wesley

Naturally in our day of "it doesn't really matter what you believe anyway" such issues are of no importance. The next time you sing this hymn in Church, unless you just sing praise choruses, remember who wrote it and make a mental note that this is not the new birth nor regeneration but a Wesleyan song about prevenient grace leading to a sinner exercising his will to decide for Christ.

Now if you are saying, "Charles, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. This is just theology and when I worship in church it comes from my heart and as long as I am sincere that is all that matters to God." Remember this we must seek to worship God not just in spirit but truth.

edited to add I found this song in the hymnal at my church yesterday. When the SBC sings this song it is sung in praise of divine enablement that causes a person to rise and make a choice for Christ. When my pastor gives an altar call he assumes that those coming forward have been enabled to come and accept Christ. As a Calvinist I bow my head and pray that the regenerate will come forward confessing their sins. I am also praying for the unregenerate to remain seated until they are called! Salvation does have a protocol. Without this there is confusing destruction evidenced by churches filled with unregenerate members.

God Predestines No One To Go To Hell

Adrian Rogers was a cruel author when he wrote this little booklet, "Predestined for Hell? Absolutely not!" He had to have intentionally misrepresented the Calvinist when he accused them of believing that God arbitrarily sends a little baby to hell. By now we all know that he was constructing a straw man argument to turn around and destroy it thus disarming the Calvinist argument.


But what about his belief? Does he believe that God does not predestine people to hell? According to Rogers who goes to hell? Why, all who do not accept Christ as their personal savior.

Those who are capable of moral action can make a decision with the enablement of God for themselves to go to heaven.


What about children who have not reached this capability? Oops! They created a clause that excludes these children. It has been a historic tradition that has been in existence for as long as there were fundamentalist in Britain and America. What about those who are incapacitated intellectually to make a decision. I think they have included them in this as well.

Where did this belief that God does not predestine anyone to hell come from? In the fifth century a man named Pelagius held that a man by the natural power of free will, without the use of God's enablement, could lead a good life. For him Adam's sin was merely bad example. Augustine refuted this and the Catholic Church convened a council, Orange II, 529 AD. Pelagianism was ruled a heresy and the Church firmed up a position on the transmission of original sin.

One of the practical aspects of this was infant baptism, which was a practice of the early church fathers. The Catechism of the Catholic church states: "Because of this (death of the soul) certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin." CCC 403 Original sin is a "certainty of faith" "closely connected with that of redemption by Christ." 407

Pelagius believed that the problem with sin was surmountable. In the sixteenth century the Protestant Reformers were perceived by the Catholic Church as denying original sin, though Luther affirmed it. They were believing that the reformation was heading toward a Pelagian view and thus the Council of Trent was formed to combat that in 1546 AD. 406 The Church's teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine's reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God's grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam's fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297

The Catholics correctly identified the Pelagian views as surmountable sin not affecting human choice and semi-Pelagian view of sin as insurmountable destroying free choice. All this in spite of the fact that they were practicing a semi-Pelagian gospel themselves. Now doesn't this happen all the time. We see the wrong in others while not seeing it in ourselves.

My guess is that the Catholics saw this as a defection from infant baptism. Their belief in OS affirmed the need to care for the less capable among themselves, particularly infants. This belief in baptismal regeneration was erroneous. But what seems to be important to me is a warning to not abandon the less capable among us. The argument over freedom of choice leads to abandonment of those not capable of a moral choice. Though themselves practicing baptismal regeneration they saw the problems in decisional regeneration!

They also saw the problem with Pelagian corruption of God's character. 1037 God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance": Father, accept this offering from your whole family. Grant us your peace in this life, save us from final damnation, and count us among those you have chosen.

Pelagianism leads to attempts to adjust the sovereignty and character of God to fit in the scheme of human choice. The Catholics affirm emphatically, God destines no one to hell! They also affirm that God does not send someone to hell for rejecting his own Son's offer of salvation! People clearly go to hell for willfully turning away from God (a mortal sin) persistently to the end. Who go to hell? Those who inherit Adam's sin! Who go to heaven according to the Catholic lip service to doctrine? Those He has chosen! God destines no one to hell and all who go to heaven are destined by his choice to go to heaven! What a definite clear presentation of grace!

The Catholics saw the error in Adrian Rogers' theology hundreds of years ago! They failed to see the truth in the Protestant Reformers in the sixteenth century.

Prevenient Grace

I wholly reject any ideal that PG is scriptural. I was raised in a Wesleyan Holiness Pentecostal Church. French L Arrington wrote, "Unconditional Eternal Security, Myth or Truth?"
He states: "Without Jesus Christ as their Savior, all people share a common spiritual condition - inwardly and outwardly sin dominates their lives. Failing to seek god, they are in a desperate condition (Rom 3:11). But when someone seeks God, it is evident that God through His grace, is seeking that person. This requires the inward prompting of the Holy Spirit and shows a positive response to Jesus Christ. Such prompting is often called "prevenient grace," which is grace that prepares the way for us to receive saving grace or some other other enabling grace."
The Holy Spirit enables unbelievers to repent and to accept God's gracious invitation to salvation. Because the holy Spirit draws all people to Christ, each person is a candidate for salvation and can respond favorably to the call of the gospel, which is God's invitation to receive Christ as Savior and live the Christian life."

You must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Apart from the new birth you are not able to see the kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit baptizes the sinner into the body of Christ. Then the sinner sees the kingdom of God! After that he repents and is baptized in water to receive the remission of sins.

The Spark Of Life

I bought a book at a garage sale: "Doctrines of the Bible," Herald Press, by the Mennonite General Conference, 1925.

The section , "Man in his fallen state" states in clear scriptural support of the fallen state of sinful man. There were five pages with good presentation and then on the sixth page a short final paragraph, "the spark of life": "This is not the 'spark of divinity' which some people seem to think may be found in every human soul. Dismiss that delusive thought, if you have ever entertained it. All unsaved souls are dead absolutely "dead in trespasses and sins," depraved and and defiled, without hope and "without God in the world." Yet there is something in all men that is capable of responding to the goodness and grace of God. As Adam, perfect and sinless, had something within to which the devil could appeal and get a response, so the soul that is "dead in trespasses and sins" has something within which God appeals and may get a response. Yea, the hour "now is, when when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live" (Jno. 5:25).

This is a case of semi-Pelagian's "island of righteousness" - "spark of life." From this mythical spark ignites the choice of the sinner to cry out to Christ. This in spite of so many scriptures supporting the sinner's dead state and depravity.

Why can't men allow the Father the exclusive right to choose whomsoever he wills according to his own good pleasure send the Holy Spirit to impart regeneration and graciously grant life in Christ? In spite of the truth of the Word they insist that man must decide for himself.

Is God gracious without us insisting He be gracious? Can you see the offense to God with this theology?

Can You Spot The Error? (Thought I Had Forgotten?)

"To be true to himself and to his holy standards, God justly sentenced Adam and Eve to death and expelled them from the garden of Eden. Thus, Paradise, happiness, and everlasting life were lost, while sin, suffering, and death resulted. What a tragic development for the human race! However, immediately after sentencing the couple, God promised to undo all the harm resulting from their sin without compromising his own righteous standards.
Jehovah purposed to make it possible for the offspring of Adam and Eve to be freed from sin’s deadly grip. He accomplished this through Jesus Christ. Through him, God will eliminate sin and all its effects and will make the earth into a global paradise, just as he purposed in the beginning." *

Without looking at the source can you detect the error in this passage? There is a hidden error and you may not find it without cheating. It is a disguised message to conceal the error.

edited to add:
This treats the actions of God as an afterthought brought on by the sin of Adam and Eve. There was no need of redemption nor a redeemer prior to this event. My Jehovah Witness friend confirmed this belief and when I ask him about the foreknowledge of God he said that God did not foreknow this event.

* source

God's Delusions

Genesis 18:17 (King James Version) And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do?

Isaiah 66:4 (King James Version) I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 (King James Version) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

A Strong Delusion!

"Could we be warned to not face an angry God with our delusions. Our delusions will melt in the fires of God presence.

The elect of God cannot be ultimately deceived yet Satan desires desperately to deceive them.
The elect can be a part of the end time falling away and they can come under the influence of delusions. These delusions need purging and a constant battle is waged by the elect to resist them. These delusions are not always purged and the elect carry the works produced by these lies into eternity. There they are burned as chaff in the heat of God's judgment.

Jimmy Swaggart was purged of his sin through embarrassing exposure. As a result we have plastered for ever the awful expression of a man crying: "I have sinned." it is better to suffer here for the wrongs done than to stand the exposure of these sins in heaven. Swaggart has suffered the loss of a great ministry and the price has been great! Better here than there!

Now everyone of us will face this judgment. Especially dreadful will be the judgment of ministries. Those who have been entrusted with much will suffer a greater accountability! There will be many cries of Lord, Lord, didn't we preach your Word, didn't we win souls? There will be a division in heaven between those whom God knows and those he did not know. I believe that this refers to relationship and not destiny. There will be the "first" and the "last."
The first will experience preeminence and the last will suffer shame of exclusion. Some will rule over golden estates and others will merely sweep streets of gold. All will be eternally glad they are there!

'I Am At Perfect Peace'

Steve Gaines was at Rogers' bedside the day the ventilator was in place and he would not be able to speak anymore. His last words according to Gaines was "I am at perfect peace."

Gaines could not say the same thing. Perhaps he already knew there were difficult days ahead for him and peace would be the least of the emotions he would experience. From heaven Rogers observed that "he was not at peace" he had a delusion of peace. He sees the situation of his family's reaction and knows there was no peace there. If ever a man could have used another 15 years of life it was Dr Rogers!

When conservative scholars write about depravity they always quote the old adage, "depravity does not mean that every person is as evil as he can possibly be." Everyone does not commit murder or incest but everyone has the potential. Hitler and Stalin become the examples of total depravity. However no one says: "depravity means people cannot be as good as they imagine themselves to be!" "No one can be as good as their friends think they are!" "No one can be as good as their mother thinks they are!"

The full spectrum of total depravity means that from each end we are totally depraved. If we think we are good we are wrong and if we have been all-out evil we are not as bad as we could have been. Paul deals with both ends inRomans 1-3. The worst that a man can be is when God gives him over to vile affections. 1:26 The best that a man can be is unacceptable to God and we see this description of all men bad and good. 3:9-20

Bellevue had this spectrum. I don't know of a man more evil than Paul Williams. God gave Paul Williams up to the vilest of affections. An associate working with Dr Rogers left the natural use his wife provided, burning in his heart a desire for his own young son. He yielded to this desire for 12-18 months about 1987. We yet have no ideal how many victims there were but it is hard to believe there was only one. Qualitatively speaking Bellevue employed a man as vile as Hitler and Stalin. He was a SBC minister.

Bellevue was pastored by the best America had to offer. He and his wife were a model couple dating only each other from grammar school. Together they built a Christian relationship. They built a great church and began an international ministry, Love Worth Finding. He represents the other end of the depraved spectrum. Yes, Adrian Rogers was depraved. He was a born-again believer who was daily being sanctified but still having the present potential for sin.

What is God looking for in His people? Poor, contrite heart and one who trembles at God's word. Isaiah 66:2 Paul Williams' sin is the sort that speaks of delusion. God lifts his hand from a person and they are let go to do their worst! Yet in close proximity was Dr Rogers who apparently had no clue as to what Williams had done.

God says: "the heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?" but God is not impressed with the buildings we have built and the ministries we have established but He is looking for men not buildings. God inhabits the praises of His people. The place of God's rest is a poor, contrite and word-fearing man.

I am but a common man, just another sinner saved by grace, but we have here a man who apparently turned a deaf ear to God at some unknown point. There are lawyers with files that could reveal the truth. There are safe-keeping places where some truth is concealed. Money has been paid to keep people silent. When we make poor choices God will send a delusion to us. He will let us believe a lie and even take that lie to our grave. God will get his rest! He will get His pleasure. If we are corrected here in this life and receive our discipline humbly then God gets his rest and has a habitation. If we are stubborn and vain in our confidence God will get His rest in the judgment We will die in our deception but awake to the truth. We lift up our eyes seeing clearly. We will be ushered to a place of destruction of our works. Fire will consume all our works and our soul will escape the fire.

The beliefs of depravity are not directed toward the sinner, he understand nothing about sin nor righteousness. He is dead in his sin. Depravity is directed toward elect believers. This understanding is the basis for growth in Christ. As a believer you still maintain the ever potential for sin and Satan is a liar and deceiver. He has successfully infiltrated the church with his deceptions. Satan promotes all ideals of human divinity. He said to Eve, "ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." All concepts promoting islands of righteousness and sparks of divinity from which human choices are made are lies. Compromises that make God creating an island for choice is just another synergistic view that falls short of scripture.

God alone saves!

What Must We Do?

What is the first responsibility of the new born believer? John 3:3

Repent and be baptized. Acts 2:38

Now that you have been born and baptized by the Holy Spirit and by a supernatural work you are a part of the body of Christ (I Corinthians 12:13) you now must have remission of sin! Maybe you are surprised by that. You say: "well, if I am born-again then I am sinless."

You can't confuse regeneration, new birth, with glorification. Glorification takes place after you leave this world. What the Holy Spirit starts, regeneration and sanctification, Christ completes when you leave this earth. You were reborn in a moment and the twinkling of an eye and your final change shall come in a moment and the twinkling of an eye.

Your rebirth was just the start. You are a part of the invisible spiritual body of Christ and now you need to belong to the physical body on earth. All this is following Christ's teachings. To enter the earthly body it is necessary to confess your need of Christ and be baptized in water.

You are saved and you have a ticket to heaven. But you need to belong to the earthly body. The earthly body has a common foundation, it is a community of sinners who are walking time bombs ready to explode with transgressions! I'll bet that is the first time you have read that definition of the church. If you have been in church long enough you will know how true that is. If you join this body thinking too highly of yourself you will be the fault in the next explosion. Quite often thinking too highly of yourself stems from a misunderstanding of who you were when you were born again. Greatness in the church goes to him who thinks the lowest of himself. Your first impression of yourself when you were born again is the impression that will last.

More than lightly if you got saved in America you got bad teaching from the beginning. You cannot rise above your teacher! Your mentor's sky is your sky. The Holy Spirit did a good work as usual! The church has failed you. WHAT! Charles, are you nuts!

The church has abandoned the old fashion belief in original sin and there goes two hundred years down the toilet. I have got to go to work!

What a way to end a post!

Free Will

Does repentance lead to the new birth (John 3:3)? NO

Does repentance lead to remission of sins (Acts 2:38) YES

Free Will

Do you have any choice in your own salvation?

No

"England Swings Like A Pendulum Do"

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 KJV
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Any serious student of scripture knows that there is an end times scheme to draw religions into a unified system to serve the Antichrist's interest. The present turmoil in the SBC over Calvinism is a part of this scheme.

Mega church pastors want a people who are gentle meek and mild so that common goals can be obtained. To accomplish this the pastors present themselves as loving compassionate and tender. A large church thrives on a pool of supporters.

Satan wants for his church a gentle, mild and meek Jesus. The Antichrist wants to have a pool of supporters. He too will present himself as tender, loving and compassionate.

Is the SBC part of this shift? Is Adrian Rogers' gospel a part of the Antichrist's end time scheme?
He was a factor in the conservative resurgence. He played a major role. Could he have been a puppet for Satan to draw a denomination away from what it once believed? What the SBC once believed was not compatible with end time schemes. Rogers' stance on the Bibles as the Word of God was apparently compatible with the Antichrist's scheme. What was not compatible was what the word of God had to say about soteriology.

What Satan fears is a strong trinitarian salvific formula! Rogers' "come to Jesus" theology was music in Satan's ears. He was lured and wooed toward a dysfunctional trinity and a unitarian appeal. Of course the untrained followers were lured by Rogers' boisterous support of the inspiration of Scripture. "If you have the word for a thing you have the thing itself." If you have God's Word then naturally you have His gospel formula. Satan didn't buy that mantra, though everyone else did!

Is it coincidental that in 1925 the SBC held to the "whole Gospel," in 1963 they surrendered that for the "whole man" and in 2000 no one knew what the SBC believe? They can not qualify SBC loyal missionaries because they don't know what they believe. Everyone makes their own rules and ultimately the money determines who makes the rules. Is it coincidental that in 1987 there was a new age "Harmonic Convergence?" 1987 was Adrian Rogers peak year. Though evolving over time a final gospel convergence emerged, a synergistic message of various scriptural interpretations surfaced. A swing toward a pragmatic humanistic evangelism. There was a dislike of dogmatism, hatred of controversy and a call to "close our ranks."

Little did Rogers know but He had just led his denomination into a one world evangelical spirit of ecumenism and his signature was forever stamped on a "purpose driven movement".

And in 1987, there abouts, Paul Williams sodomized his own son and it remained hidden for 17 long painful years. No one but me sees a connection! I see the hand of God restraining in strange ways anyone being able to go to Dr Rogers and say, "sir, we have a problem." Is there a strong delusion here?

Sinners Saved By Grace!!

Paul never said, "O wretched man, that I am! How am I ever going to live the overcoming life?"
He did say, "who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"

It is not a question of self-discipline but a question of God's deliverance. Paul is saying that the remains of corruption after regeneration and being joined with Christ are like a dry tender box and one spark of temptation could set it afire. It is not an exaggeration to say we are walking a mind field and we have to have the leading of the Holy Spirit to navigate our way.

If the Holy Spirit takes his hand off us we are certain to step on a trap and be blown to bits. "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil."

We are sinners saved by grace! That statement has been the leaven in my life from the year of my rebirth. I was raised in a church that pronounced one a saint instead of a sinner. Our saint hood was determined by self-discipline and overcoming formulas requiring vigorous ascetic practices.

I knew myself to be a sinner "saved by grace." Self mastery has not got me where I am now! God is undoubtedly the source of my deliverance! Self mastery has its rewards. It does profit some! Some can boast of their rewards but for me the lack of rewards is my boast! I am decreasing as He increases!

I am saved by grace. I am sustained by grace. Grace will lead me home!

Free Will

Is God free to love anyone He wants?

edit to add: Yes

Do you not know that wisdom begins with fearing the Lord? Have you no fear?

Yes Ace, I have fear! I stood in the middle of the street with my dog and heard the angry voice of God ordering Adrian Rogers to "sit in this chair and watch your Bellevue crumble and be destroyed." That struck fear in me and subsequent revelations have deepened my fear. There will be many ministers there crying unto the Lord for mercy. "Lord Lord, didn't we faithfully preach your word?"


I live with this revelation everyday, Ace, I don't have any confidence in the message being preached from America's pulpits. My voice is not alone in this. Multitudes are crying for the word. They know they are not hearing from the Lord!

Ace, there is not a work of righteousness, not in the least, to merit our salvation. We are saved by grace. It is a free gift of God. He chooses us for redemption and not by any merit on our part. We do not come to him by faith or repentance he comes to us in regeneration. He does not offer us any enablement so that we can approach him. God takes total pleasure in gifting us with his grace. If our testimony to grace implies that we were seeking and we wanted to be saved then we have deprived the father of his pleasure.

Sheep seem to be the meekest of all God's created animals but when one is lost from the fold by straying into difficulties the shepherd has to retrieve it by force. The sheep will not come to him the shepherd goes to it. It will flee it's rescuer. "Not one will be lost!" says the shepherd.

When the seemingly meekest American preacher clarifies the doctrines for this present age, and defines beliefs against the backdrop of modern confusion and a rising generation of Baptists recognize the significance of these biblical doctrines, assume this is their Baptist heritage and own this confession of faith for themselves they should not be surprised when rotten fruit are produced.

Do you not believe that corrupt fruit is produced by a corrupt tree? Do you not believe the woes pronounced unto those who call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter?

Dear Southern Baptist

From the Chairman of the Committee on the Baptist Faith and Message, Adrian Rogers

2. In the context of modern denials of the omniscience, exhaustive foreknowledge, and omnipotence of God, we have reaffirmed the teachings of the Bible and the consistent teaching of our Baptist tradition, as reflected in Article II: "God."
God has all knowledge. He knows all things simultaneously. His knowledge is immediate, without the process of thought, reason, or inference. His foreknowledge of events does not necessarily mean that He predetermined them. He knows the workings of his natural, physical, moral, and spiritual laws which work toward definite ends. Man is free to choose in the light of them, but is responsible for his choices. God knows these choices beforehand, but does not predetermine them. Herschel H. Hobbs, The Baptist Faith and Message (1971), p. 36.


"His foreknowledge of events does not necessarily mean that He predetermined them."
My Jehovah Witness friend says God willfully chooses not to know what our choices are. In fact he says that God does not have that foreknowledge. Adrian Rogers says that God has the foreknowledge but has not predetermined our choices.


Systematic Theology affirms strongly the incommunicable attributes of God. God is without any limitations. He does not submit himself to any limitations. Self-existence and immutability confirms this.


Any thought that denies the ability of God to know or do anything flies in the face of scripture and all who have sought diligently to clarify theology.


Rogers says: "In the context of modern denials of the omniscience, exhaustive foreknowledge, and omnipotence of God, we have reaffirmed the teachings of the Bible and the consistent teaching of our Baptist tradition. . .God has all knowledge. He knows all things simultaneously. His knowledge is immediate, without the process of thought, reason, or inference. " That is a clear concise statement to make.

However his next statement contradicts the first. " His foreknowledge of events does not necessarily mean that He predetermined them. God knows these choices beforehand, but does not predetermine them. " Now he is practically saying the same thing as my Jehovah Witness friend. There are strong similarities of SBC to Jehovah Witness beliefs!

Actually Adrian Rogers knows a fool would be saying what he just said so he acknowledges the source of this absurdity to Herschel H. Hobbs who is dead at this time.

However this absurd and foolish statement has to be said! Why! Why does it have to be said?
Why put the words in the mouth of a dead man! Because this falsehood is the foundation of the next falsehood. "Man is free to choose in the light of them, but is responsible for his choices. God knows these choices beforehand, but does not predetermine them." In order to establish vibrant worldwide evangelism, Baptist tradition has to be disposed and a satisfaction of the demands of modern humanism must take place!

This is the foundation of a false gospel and another gospel foreign to the Bible.

First Cars

My father's first car, Ford Model A and my first, 1961 Ford Galaxie Starliner, 352, four barrel. I changed the two barrel for a four barrel carb.

Tribute To John Mark

On Solomon's blog is a post on "The Passing Of An Unlikely Friend" John Mark who was a familiar commenter on several blogs dealing with Bellevue Baptist. He recently passed away and Solomon has posted an excellent tribute to John. I always liked John Mark and recognized the quality of his comments. He could be jagged and compassionate. I appreciated his honesty. We will miss him. John: rest in peace.

John 'Arminius' Mark

A Blogging Intermission

Several years ago I was driving on Huston Levee road heading south toward Collierville. At that time construction was beginning for a new four lane highway. The old road leading from Macon Road was a winding road with some good tight curves. I was driving my old Bonneville behind these two identical white Cobras. Older men were driving and both were bumper to bumper hanging into the curves. They were not really racing but obviously enjoying their drive. I tried my best to stay up with them knowing that these were two classic cars. Watching these two cars

accelerating into curves and seemingly jockeying for a possible pass was exhilarating to an old man like me who grew up in the sixties with "real muscle cars." I was doing my best to keep up in order to see it all. There are some tight curves in places and these two cars hugged them with ease. My Bonneville fought to just stay on the right side of the road! I had to make a straight path while they stayed in their proper lanes.

Just before Wolf River Road which had just become a four lane intersection both cars stopped side by side at the red light. I came up behind in the right lane. They were talking to each other and throttling those big v-8 engines making the kind of music only a sixties guy would understand. I prayed! Oh did I pray! I ask God, "I am an old man who will not see this stuff anymore. I grew up with these kind of cars. Lord, let these men tromp these engines and smoke 'dem' tires, please." I am trembling with cold shivers as I type this.

The light turned green and they eased off for about four feet and then all hell broke loose as they jammed the pedal to the metal. Both cars surged and squatted as treaded tires bit into the pavement desperate for traction. The rubber screamed in anguish and burning tires smoked underneath. The rear ends twisted as both cars split the air with a roaring of full throttled engines. The precise mixture of air and gas exploding inside cylinders and forced out of manifolds into exhaust pipes made sounds like unto heavenly sounds. It is a man-thing!!

I jammed my foot into the floor of my car screaming like a man gone out of his mind. I could not catch them but man o man did God ever answer my prayer! We hear people say God supplies your needs and not your wants. They don't know squat about my God. There are times that He delights in seeing an old man one more time thrilled out of his mind. I gave God glory over and over and I have not stopped thanking Him for that little pleasure. This morning while driving my old F-150 to work I remembered that day and tears filled my eyes as I thought how much God loves me.

I shared with my manager my experience since he has a love for old classic cars and I told him about my tears and I looked up and there were tears in his eyes. he said, "I know what you mean."

Spare me the retorts. Wasting gas, breaking laws and driving too fast. Poor people who don't have nice cars. Hey I have a God who cares about me and my silliness and just maybe He gets excited about muscle cars!

Man, I am a good looking guy, for a boy who was maliciously assaulted by a pie in the face and traumatized for almost 50 years! What a good God to set me free from that attack and liberate me to be the outstanding man I am today. It is a credit to his grace and moves me to give him my all. I am blessed in appearance and heart! What a great God who chose me before I was hit with a pie, long before that! Before the foundations of the world was laid. He blessed me with good looks, too. Ladies, I am already taken, sorry. What a Calvinist!

Bold, Evangelistic, Spirit Filled, High Calvinist

Luke 4:18-19 (KJV) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
I am filled with the Holy Spirit and I speak as the Spirit gives me utterance. Acts 2:4
John 15:26-27 (KJV)But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

I am a 'narcissistic* Bapticostal'! I have the best of both worlds; true historical Baptist beliefs (that which the SBC seems to officially despise) and the utterance the Charismatics desire!

The Charismatics and Pentecostals need what the Baptist used to have, 200 years ago, and the Baptist need what they had 200 years ago and what the Charismatics and Pentecostals have now! Don't we all need the Spirit and the Word?

*anonymous source

Message To Billy Graham

Please, Dr Graham before you die and meet your maker, renounce the gospel you have preached. Renounce the "one percent that the believer has to exercise in order to be saved." Please tell everyone there is no work of righteousness that the believer can do to be saved.

Tell them they are saved by grace alone. Tell them they are sinners under condemnation from birth. They are incapable of making a decision for Christ.

Quit this man made appeal and let the Holy Spirit do His work. Call the elect regenerate to obedience. Just preach Christ and Him crucified. Tell your son to do the same.

Please, don't face God with the message you have preached to the world! It is not too late.

Graham and Rogers, Inc.

"God does ninety-nine percent of it but you still must do that last one percent." Billy Graham

"The context of John 3 teaches that the new birth is something that God does for man when man is willing to yield to God", and "He gives the Holy Spirit to draw you to the cross, but even after all this, it is your decision whether to accept God's free pardon or to continue in your lost condition." (B. Graham, How To Be Born Again. Originally published 1977)

"Come to Jesus." - Adrian Rogers


Why can't these two great American preachers see the plain truth? It is not too late for Dr Graham to get it right!


In spite of our will we are saved. We are not wooed to the cross we are dragged, lifeless spiritually, physically resisting, to the Father. There is no self-merit in our salvation. The only reason an undeserving sinner can be brought to the Father is because of the cross! The sinner is declared justified by the Father and presented to His Son, a justified sinner. Christ will raise the sinner to glorification at the last day. John 6:44 You believed because you were elected to be a believer! Your choice does not determine your election.

Rogers' Island

anonymous said Mon Nov 17, 07:05:00 PM 2008 on "Grace and truth to you" "A doctrine cannot be unscriptural without doing actual harm. God's way is right; man's way is wrong. And when the doctrine on the matter of salvation is wrong, it is certain to hinder the cause of Christ."
This statement sheds light on what has happened at Bellevue Baptist. Unquestionably the cause of Christ is hindered at Bellevue. Ignoring the "full" sovereignty of God and operating from an imaginary and mythological "island of righteousness" certainly hinders the cause of Christ as demonstrated by the saga of the history of Bellevue Baptist under the leadership of Adrian Rogers.

The Pelagian Captivity Of The Church

If you are interested in the "island of righteousness" go here. Very interesting read and thoroughly Calvinistic if you are wanting information.

OC Said I Was Just Asking For It!

oc said... here
"elbowing my way between the crowds..."Then you deserved the pie. You should have been more polite.Just sayin'.oc.
November 18, 2008 8:15 PM

Now where have we heard this before. Let see, she deserved to be raped she was just asking for it. The way she dressed no wonder she was raped.

What kind of statement is that: "Then you deserved the pie" I was picked out of the crowd because I was the least likely to put up any resistance. It was a cowardly act of a bully who knew I was defenseless to fight back! The bully was right!

OC, you are a bully! But your error is that I am not defenseless. You are a male chauvinist bully.
You use weak people to get your way. Your statement gives you away. You are truly a coward!

My God Is A Good God!

For nearly half a century I lived under a cloud. I was afraid of what people would say about me. I was functional, I married a wonderful girl. We had two daughters. They married and we are a clan now. It was an eroding process in my life that left me every morning saying to myself in the shower, "I am so stupid." It was a habitual ritual, every morning. Banging my head on the shower wall, "Oh, I am so stupid."



December 22, 2005 that all changed! Uninvited, God broke into my life like a thief in the night. It started as I was working with a Jehovah Witness in a 53 foot trailer early in the morning. We started talking about religion and BANG, I was nabbed by the Lord. The Lord had an assignment for me and this Jehovah Witness was it. The rest of the story I have related to you.



I was hit in the face with a pie. My personality was definitely arrested and I functioned under a cloud. I was living with a personality handicap. By New Years day 2006 I was set free from this cloud and I started to live the good life. I was a man at his best, my mind went into action and my spirit soared with boldness. I am now a bold, Spirit-filled, evangelistic (High) Calvinist!



Listen, I was a victim of a silly pie throwing stunt. Yes it was silly but it did damage to me and I would have carried that damage to my grave without ever knowing why life had to be such a struggle. I have forgiven my perpetrator. If I knew who he/she was I would rush to them and hug them! I love that person dearly. What they meant for evil has served a good purpose! God has prepared me for my remaining years to attain his exclusive purpose. That half century was not wasted years but preparation for his assignment.

My God is a good God!

Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

I am filled with the Holy Spirit and I speak as the Spirit gives me utterance.

John 15:26-27 (KJV)
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

This picture of me was taken January 2, 2006 in front of the Warren County court house in McMinnville, Tennessee. Forty eight years ago in this very spot I was hit in the face with a pie. A cloud hung over my life. My personality development was arrested and on December 22, 2005 The Holy Spirit began a supernatural healing to lift that cloud that surrounded me. December 30 I had a divine visitation from the Lord. The Holy Spirit swept me back as a twelve year old to the place of John 15. At the court house I was elbowing my way between the crowds to watch the city celebs get hit with a pie. Someone picked me out of the crowd and hit me in the face with a pie. Suddenly the focus of the event was me and there was a large crowd of people laughing at me. Forty eight years later I was escorted by the Holy Spirit back in time and was allowed to elbow my way between the apostles and hear the words of my Lord in John 15! The next day, new years eve about 11:45 PM, I was on my knees in front of my wife trying to explain all this to her. When suddenly out of nowhere came the words, "honey when I was a young boy I was hit in the face with a pie!" It was hidden in my memory. I had not told anyone. The next day a lot of exciting things happened. Wonderful things! I drove new year's evening back to McMinnville, 5 hours, got there at midnight and at 5AM in a thunderstorm I was marching around that courthouse hands lifted and praising God! Later that day using a Walmart disposable camera my dad snapped this picture.

Not an impressive picture is it? If you will look close into the face you will see a twelve year old boy trapped in a 59 year old body! I am filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit. "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Bellevue Baptist Could Learn From The Memphis GLBT

In May I sent an e-mail to a representative of the Memphis GLBT Community:
"I have a question that perplexes me constantly. It concerns the situation with Bellevue Baptist's response to it's own associate sexually abusing his own young son for 12-18 months and being dismissed as just a "moral failure". Given their conservative slant they failed to act accordingly. The "moral failure" was a crime and the son did not pursue criminal charges, the Church did not treat the issue as a crime. The state investigated and we have not heard the result from them.

I have ask a diverse number of people from many walks of life and I would like to hear your response.

This was the answer ("The opinions in the GLBT community are as varied as the people therein. The above sentiments are mine and mine alone.")
"The problems of pedophilia and ephebophilia are ones that span all sexual and gender orientations. The occurrence you reference happens to be about an adult and a child of the same gender. These occurrences often do not occur within a same gender context and consequently I cannot consider these terrible incidents primarily GLBT issues. But being a human being, I cannot help but have strong feelings of disgust when I learn that the basic inequity of power that is present between an adult and a minor is exploited by the adult.

So I am conflicted. From one perspective, I do not wish to pass judgment on this denomination and this particular church's handling of this affair. From another perspective, however, I am deeply grieved by the pain of the child involved. When learning of this incident, I made a personal choice to leave it to the authorities who are, hopefully, better able to help this child in this incident and address the larger issues as well.

Fortunately, there are many denominations that have long decided to deal successfully with both matters ... First, they have resolved the matter of giving GLBT persons their rightful place in the church community. Second, they have resolved the entirely separate matter of child and minor sexual abuse by following a rigid adherence to a zero tolerance policy and a policy of immediate reporting to authorities. The churches, synagogues and mosques that have done both have my deepest respect.

"Woe Is Me!"

"In the beginning man was innocent of sin and was endowed by his Creator with freedom of choice. By his free choice man sinned against God and brought sin into the human race. Through the temptation of Satan man transgressed the command of God, and fell from his original innocence whereby his posterity inherit a nature and an environment inclined toward sin. Therefore, as soon as they are capable of moral action, they become transgressors and are under condemnation. Only the grace of God can bring man into His holy fellowship and enable man to fulfill the creative purpose of God." BF&M Man III

The SBC teaches the age of accountability as the age when one can accept Christ as Savior. It is the time when a person is aware of his own sinfulness and will transgress the law of God. Contrary to this is the orthodox belief of original sin. Adam's sin is transmitted to his descendants by inheritance. Romans 5:12, 18-19. We are born into a state of sin and are under condemnation at birth and not at a latter age of accountability. This is a contracted state as a result of Adam's committed act. An infant is under condemnation not because of his act but Adam's. Through Christ the regenerated have peace with God and are not under condemnation but they do live every day till death with the presence of potential sin. Through Christ's provision for Justification the believer has access to grace to stand against this daily possibility of sinning. He can be victorious against this possibility and if he fails he has an advocate before the Holy God. He has forgiveness. This is the teaching on original sin contrary to what Adrian Rogers preached.

The Church's teaching on original sin carried from the apostles was challenged in the fifth century by Pelagius. He taught that man could by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God's grace, lead a morally good life. This teaching was declared a heresy by the Church. The Church has not followed this ruling and today in American Evangelicalism Pelagianism has reared it's ugly head. Joyce Rogers demonstrated this by her behavior.

Isaiah cried, "Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of host." Isaiah 6:5

While under duress Joyce Rogers cried, "My husband and I are clean but we dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips." "My husband should be held blameless on the word of Paul Williams who said he did not know." She cried: "I think it has to do with his integrity, and his manner of dealing with things like this. He would have dealt with it immediately." "My husband has clean lips but Steve Gaines does not! My husband has integrity but Steve Gaines does not."

Dr Rogers paid $500,000 to keep a former staff member silent so now we know what his immediate reaction would have been. Oh, he would act quickly but not with integrity.

If you gaze upon the Lord of Host you will understand original sin. When you gaze upon a sin such as Paul Williams you cry, "woe is me, for I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell in the midst of men with unclean lips." This is a Calvinistic reaction toward sin.

If you are liberal in your theology you cry: "Paul Williams is a homosexual and he has a right to alternative behavior." "I'm OK you are OK" This is a reflection of pure Pelagianism.

Joyce Rogers says: "We are OK but you are not OK" Calvinism says: "We are not OK"

Can't You See It?

Yesterday at work I ask six Caucasians (I already knew how African Americans would respond) if there was a man who had f**ked his 10 year old son up the a** for 10 -12 months standing in front of you could you carry on a normal conversation with him. Without exception they answered, No! "I would not even shake his hand" "I would be repulsed" "He did what!" "I would walk away from him" "No" "No"

But not Joyce Rogers, Steve Gaines, Jamie Fish, Webb Williams, Elmer Bailey and a Bible Fellowship class. Of course they had known him for some years and there was a familiarity with him. My colleagues did not know him. This is the frog and the boiling water case. Bellevue had grown accustomed to Paul Williams and when they found out he was a "fag". . .well, being a "fag" was not so bad after all. This "fag" "fagged" his own son and still he was not so bad! Bellevue Baptist was boiling in water!

Joyce Rogers who had assumed the same temperature as the boiling water cared more about her dead husband's legacy than for Chris Williams. She did not care about Chris. Chris knew this. This hurt Chris. The wife of his childhood pastor did not care about him only the integrity of her husband. That was all! She did not rush to WMC to denounce homosexuality she went to defend her husband! Satan had his arms around her and she was doing his bidding.

I already know the response. You can read the repetitive comments. I am jealous of the Rogers and I am out to kick them. I am not. I am dealing with the result of Adrian Rogers' message.
He had chosen his beliefs and now absent and in heaven he is seeing the fruit being born. They are proud, knowing nothing. They were rich, and increased with goods and had need of nothing.
Now Mrs. Rogers is wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked. The shame of her nakedness is appearing.

Pelagianism is being demonstrated for all to see. Do you see it?

How Do You Talk With A Homosexual Pedophile?

Joyce Rogers told WMC-TV News "Mr. Williams told me that himself, that my husband did not know." When asked why it was important that the public knew Dr. Rogers was unaware of the situation, Joyce Rogers replied, "I think it has to do with his integrity, and his manner of dealing with things like this. He would have dealt with it immediately."

She displays no outrage that a young boy had been f**ked by his SBC ordained associate Bellevue Baptist pastor/father. You would expect that there would be outrage toward Paul Williams and she would want to address her rage on the evening news. But no, she wanted to make sure her husband's legacy was not spoiled with bad news. Her husband was a much better man than that Steve Gaines!

When Steve Gaines would not honor her request to clear her husband then like a spoiled child she rushes out of her Bellevue mansion and leads an entourage to Germantown Baptist Church and not being happy there she goes to Faith Baptist Church.

But she is not alone in this lack of outrage. Bellevue Baptist seems to lack the quality of Christian community that causes outrage against the sin of homosexuality.

Early on it has been alleged that Elmer Bailey failed to make this sin (crime) known to Dr Rogers or the staff of Bellevue. Webb Williams and Jamie Fish failed to notify Steve Gaines or the other staff. Steve Gaines himself kept it confidential for six months. And when it became public some of Paul Williams' Bible Fellow class would keep him as their teacher.

Listen, Paul Williams f**ked his own son and there is no outrage, at least made known publicly.

Twenty six people have voted on my poll so far and my vote stands alone. Joyce Rogers exercised bad judgment in asking Steve Gaines to say her husband did not know about Paul Williams' crime. Probably NASS" sheep have gained up on me and organized an effort to sabotaged the poll. Perhaps the sentiment is so strongly in Joyce Rogers' favor that no one will address this issue.

Tell me this, she talked with Paul Williams, how does a respectable Christian lady talk with a man who so cruelly f**ked his own son. He is a pedophile! How do you talk to a known pedophile? "Paul, how is the family? It sure looks like rain today, we need it badly. Oh, by the way did my husband know about the stuff you did?" Paul: "no, Joyce, he didn't." "Thank goodness Paul, I was afraid you might have told him. I am relieved! Tell ______ I said hello."

When I tell people at work about Paul Williams and what he did to his son they say, "I would kick his a**!" "He is a monster." But what do they know, they are not "Bellevue elites!"

"These people use such bad language. Isn't it awful how they talk?" Oh by the way these people think that homosexuality is really bad! They call them "fags."

You know what I would do if I was to stand in front of Paul Williams. I would want to kick his sorry ass! I wouldn't of course but I would struggle with words. I've never talked with a known homosexual pedophile.

Bad theology produces bad behavior! Bellevue has it's share!

An Awful Insult!

I was raised on good preaching. I assume that most of you reading are of the Baptist faith. My prior Pentecostal colleagues won't read this since I am Calvinist.

I heard good preaching in an open air tabernacle in Chattanooga on old Lee highway. The floor was strewn with sawdust shavings and seating for several thousands was old fashion angle iron and wood pews. The main service was the evening services with nationally recognized speakers. This was pentecostal preaching but with a strong Wesleyan-holiness emphasis. We fought "Jesus only" Independent "free holiness" people and of course the Baptist. Often the preaching was energized and emotional but deeper was a good message of holiness of life and commitment to Christ. There was exuberant praise, with occasional shouting , leaping and one man who ran around the tabernacle. Those were good old days.

The day was devoted to good Bible teaching by some of the best teachers the denomination had to offer. Attendance was lower but that was our favorite service. I was raised on what I hear many crying for today.

When I visited Bellevue Baptist ten or so years ago I went to observe Rogers preaching. I recognized good preaching and anointed preaching. Dr Rogers was a good preacher. The fact that this was a large beautiful sanctuary filled nearly to capacity and the preacher had a national broadcast, Love Worth Finding, did not effect my judgment. There was no awe in my sight. I did not worship the man. I do not mean this in a mean spirited way. I recognized the qualities of good speaking, subjective conviction and excellent voice control. But I didn't recognize an anointing. There is a difference between "spirited" preaching and "Anointed" preaching. Now a seasoned Pentecostal recognizes the difference. A "good" Pentecostal has to be able to hear the Word in the midst of murky emotional exuberance. This is a good thing!

A "good" Baptist has to just trust that his preacher is preaching the Word. There is little cultivation of hearing the Word in the murky splendor of a good speech. You confuse the Word with good speech. An old fashion classical Pentecostal would not be swayed by good speech nor a loud screaming message. Good hearing comes not from the flesh but the Holy Spirit. He gives the ear the hearing.

What is the difference you might ask? The Baptist is taught that right doctrine must be mastered to know the difference and there is a truth in that. A Pentecostal looks to a witness of the Spirit that bears a witness to his spirit. This witness cooperates with the witness of the Bible.

One of the things that interested me about Dr Rogers was his altar calls. He had a pattern and never strayed away from it. He always left the platform and came to the floor and stood below the pulpit. There he gave the invitation.

I found myself many times thinking, "why is he walking that way?" Over and over I heard myself think that. He walked strange , flatfooted and cautious. "Why" is he walking that way?
"Why am I thinking this?" "What does it matter that he is walking that way?"

When the Paul Williams crisis surfaced it occurred to me that the Spirit was providing the utterance for this thought. He was getting my attention, "what do you see here?" "He is walking funny!" "Why is he walking this way?"

The floor was covered in blood, the blood of the Son of God! The blood wherewith he was sanctified was being trampled. It was treated as an unholy thing! A great insult to the Spirit was taking place in that Church. This sin was not an isolated sin of one man but a corporate sin flowing from a false gospel. It was the result of a semi-Pelagian gospel.

Fiery Indignation

At the very core of the narrative of Bellevue is an egregious and perverse homosexual sin. Rather than being an isolated incident it seems to be an intelligent effort to warn us of coming doom. One gets the feeling that something is very wrong with American Christianity.

There is a connection of the subject of homosexuality to the presentation of the gospel in Paul's book of Romans. His proposition is set forth in 1:16,17 followed by the ground work of the need of salvation. Sin left to it's own course ends in egregious and perverse sexual activity. "God gave them up to vile affections." Paul is making a distinction between heterosexual sins and homosexual sins. The latter are given over to vile affections, unnatural, unseemly, reprobate and "none convenient" passions. Literally they break through a barrier. Heterosexual sinners know that there are things so taboo that they should be avoided. There is a natural inhibition built into the human psyche to avoid such activity. Physically the human body has provision for natural sexual activity. The body is designed to progress along a developmental path. Central to this development is a gland that guides this development beginning at the earliest years.

This barrier is a law written on all hearts, without exception. The breaking of this barrier is not just a psychological block but a spiritual "changing of the truth of God into a lie." It is an intentional "worship of the creature over the creator." It strikes close to the sin of blasphemy.

It is a generational sin in that the children of the homosexual are usually forced to have this barrier broken, psychologically and physically. It destroys the fabric of families; father/ wife and son /daughter.

All this said; there is a universal need of the saving message of God in Christ Jesus delivering us from this sinful condition.

Paul Williams' father abused him, his father broke his barrier, the father willfully and the son unwillingly. Paul went on to serve the Lord, became a father and a preacher. Willfully he broke his son's barrier, also his son was unwilling. For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrews 10:26,27 God has turned Paul Williams over to a reprobate condition.

Adrian Rogers failed to preach the gospel effectively for Paul's Williams' complete salvation and God has taken Dr Rogers on to heaven for discipline.

Sitting In Moses' Seat

When Joyce Rogers made her bold request to be excluded from the investigation, based upon her word and the word of Paul Williams, she was acting out the part of Pharisees of Jesus' days. Instead of sitting quietly like everyone else and waiting to see the outcome of the investigative committee, she leaps up in defense of her husband's integrity. How hypocritical!

Does this hypocrisy spring from grace and godliness? No, it springs from a corrupted base. A base of unwholesome and unsound words and a doctrine not according to godliness. I Timothy 6:3 and II Tim 1:13

Behind ever great man is a great woman. Dr Rogers was her man. She fed him. She massaged his ego. She made him into the man he was. He had her to thank. Together they constructed an island no one else could live on. When the world was crumbling all around her she asserted her citizenship on their exclusive island. It was a Pelagian island. An island where the best of mankind forges a life of self-discipline and perfectionism, unattainable to common mainlanders.

When it came to common realities of life her man was naive to these realities and hired men handled these hard realities for him. He remained distant to church problems. This attitude did not spring from grace and godliness but from self-determination.

Matthew 23:1-15 (KJV)
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Rogers' Island Of Righteousness

When Joyce Rogers demanded that her pastor publicly disavow any part her husband played in the debacle of Paul Williams the ugly head of Pelagianism was manifested. She demonstrated the "Pelagian Captivity" that held her husband to a false gospel. She was demanding from Steve Gaines a signed blank check stating she and her husband were above the perverse and egregious fray. They were different from everyone else. They were righteous. When she didn't get her way she rushed to Mike Flemming's radio show and made the announcement for all the world to know. She and her husband lived on an island of righteousness.

This island of righteousness is the semi-Pelagian base from which free will operates. Dr Rogers' anti-Calvinism was never more evident than that moment! The problem was that Dr Rogers was not there to put a stop to it. She was intruding into an area the apostle Paul warned should be best confided in husbands in the privacy of the home.

Dr Gaines, himself an anti-Calvinist, suddenly was brought to face this island of righteousness and he suddenly knew it did not exist. He left Gardendale to face a horrible reality of sinfulness he probably never knew existed. He was face to face with Calvinism's base, total depravity. He was in a position that implied that there were no innocent bystanders. "We are all unclean in an unclean church!" "There is none good no not one!" "The best of our righteousness is as filthy rags!"
In the middle of this mess he has a silly widow asking to be excluded! Never have free willers been more foolish!
For a brief moment the SBC had a strong Calvinist pastor at Bellevue Baptist!

Joyce Rogers fled in shame to other churches. She is now a church hopper. Any pastor who preaches to her must preach anti-Calvinism or she will flee again. That is the way they do it.

She is Adrian Rogers widow. She controls the reins of the SBC and they must comply. She would make a good SBC president!