Whoremongers Woo, God, The Father, Draws

What God joins together let not man break asunder. A Christian marriage vow includes the statement that this union is not created by man but God. God arranges the marriage!


John 6:44 King James "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." -ελκυση verb - helkuo hel-koo'-o: to drag -- draw.

James 2:6 "But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?" ελκουσιν verb - present active indicative - third person helkuo hel-koo'-o: to drag -- draw.

Acts 16:19 "And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers," ειλκυσαν verb - aorist active indicative - third person helkuo hel-koo'-o: to drag -- draw.

Acts 21:30 "And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut." ειλκον verb - imperfect active indicative - third person helkuo hel-koo'-o: to drag -- draw -

New American Standard Bible (©1995)Then all the city was provoked, and the people rushed together, and taking hold of Paul they dragged him out of the temple, and immediately the doors were shut. -Scripturetext.com for text and Greek words.


You have to draw water from a well with a bucket. You can not woo water from a well neither will God woo a sinner for Christ. The word implies an active drawing, dragging. The Father drags the sinner to Christ. -thanks to R C Sproul for this view


Contrary to our culture the bride is drawn to the groom, not by romantic allurement or enticement. Implied in this traditional arrangement perhaps is an unwillingness to marry! In the case of the sinner he is hostile to God, spiritually dead without desire to come to him. When sinners are approached by the Holy Spirit they scatter like sheep, they go astray. They have to be caught and "made" by regeneration to repent and confess. By regeneration they are given the faith to believe. They have to be regenerated to see the kingdom of heaven.

Faith clearly follows regeneration. It cannot nor will not precede regeneration.

Loved And Purchased Not Wooed

Ephesians 5:22-25 (KJV)
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.

Perry, the Biblical marriage is complimentary with the marriage of Christ and the Church. You cannot have a free will marriage of the Church to Christ and have an arranged Biblical marriage. They will not compliment each other. A free will gospel will be very offensive to the middle east religions.

You cannot be true to the Bible and alter a middle eastern marriage analogy so it fits the free will gospel.

I don't know how many ways I can say it!

Either drop the marriage analogy and just stay with a free will separate gospel from the analogy or change your gospel message. Otherwise something will burst!

Preach a gospel complimentary with the Bible marriage and be consistent with Paul. Pretty plain! Preach an arranged salvation fully of grace complimentary with an arranged middle eastern marriage.

The lady who cuts my hair is a Jew by birth and calls herself a "Jesus Jew", distinct from a "City Jesus Jew". Yesterday, I presented your drama about the virgins and the single man and she immediately responded against your analogy. "They would be harlots" she said. Without my prodding she responded, "this man wants to sell his product!" then she added, "He is just like those people at Bellevue." She didn't need any coaxing from me. She took over the conversation! Jews see right through to your intentions, Perry.

While walking my dog yesterday evening, I ask a Muslim neighbor of mine the same question and his gentle answer was "This is a joke!"

Take heart, I am not leaving a dead man alone, I am still attacking his theology. Perry's Wesleyan, Charismatic gospel is similar to Adrian's gospel. Very little difference!

Hail With The Queen

I want to break free from the hold queens Victoria and Elizabeth have on us to keep us civilized so she can rule us. "I thought that we had done that in 1776", you are thinking. But no, there is a net over us to this day that makes it easy for us to be ruled. It is called "political correctness" and it forces us to conform to a world outside of the world God expect us to live in. The rulers of this world don't want our minds renewed by the Holy Spirit. That makes it impossible, absolutely impossible, for them to rule us.

You can not tell a man ruled by Holy Spirit what to do! The Holy Spirit alone does that. Charles, won't we have anarchy if we all do that. Yes, and it will start in the house of God first. Believe me, for the most part your elders and deacons don't want you ruled by the Holy Spirit. They want you ruled by them. They will dictate to you what to believe and how to act. These rulers can get seemingly so close to what the Bible teaches that you have to have the supernatural discernment to detect the difference. But guess what, your pastor probably tells you this gift doesn't work today. He says, "it did work in a primitive setting." Now wonder why!

Can you imagine the chaos if we all came together, led by the Spirit, and spoke freely what the Lord was giving to us? We would be told we were acting "Corinthian", that would mean we were disorderly and indecent. But the truth is that your rulers don't have the knowledge of the Bible nor the Presence of the Spirit to know what to do. Now that is "Corinthian"! Ignorant men who don't know what to do when the Spirit moves. Our rulers are unbelievers who should fall on their knees and confess the truth, God is with you. The gift of tongues is for their benefit. Prophecy is for the Spirit led. How many times have you set through a sermon and heard a pastor stumble over his interpretation of what "tongues" mean? How many ways can it be interpreted? In Acts they spoke as the Holy Spirit gave the utterance, what is difficult with that? "But it has to be clearly the Queens language, by men trained in her schools." What is difficult about anyone, trained or not, opening their mouth and letting the Holy Spirit give the utterance. It is 7:10 AM and that is what I am doing right now. You, sitting and reading, judge what I am saying, and say "amen or O me"! In a few minutes I will be on my way to do some tasks and I will have spoken. The Holy Spirit will accomplish the fulfilling of it.

We need another American revolution in the Church today. It will be an expensive war and membership will be lost. Leaders will be angry and some people will be killed and thrown into prison.

We will have to leave the towers of confusion and assemble in the caves and build our homes with rocks rather than nice bricks. We won't have the printing presses to pass on our message but we will have to rely on the truth shared by word of mouth in one simple crude languages.

Suggested Response By Bellevue Baptist To Paul Williams' Homosexuality

As early as 1949, Philippine Trends described self-flagellation as a "hangover from the Middle Ages" performed by "fanatical penitents" who engage in "a frenzy of self-scourging". In 1962, a columnist in The Manila Times denounced flagellation as "a throwback to the savage". Five years later, an article in The Saturday Chronicle described flagellation as "downright fanaticism - revolting to the spirit, senseless, and gruesome." Recently, flagellation has been branded as "primitive and barbaric" (Sunday Globe Magazine, 1990), a "macabre masochism" (Daily Globe, 1991).
In the 1960s and 1970s, concern was repeatedly voiced in the Philippine press that flagellation was an embarrassing anachronism (echoing the view of eighteenth century Spanish missionaries), and "a blackeye to the Filipino image abroad". Cartoons in The Manila Times featured bleeding flagellants surrounded by incredulous tourists. "Is this right?" asked one caption (1961). "Only once a year, fortunately!" exclaimed another (1965). "Still at it", remarked a third, as two flagellants labelled "Superstition" and "Ignorance" marched defiantly into a brave new world (1968). The Times also castigated flagellation in a number of bellicose Holy Week editorials: "Deplorable spectacle blood-curdling The local authorities must intervene if sanity and reason are to be restored" (1966); and the following year, "this barbaric ritual should be discouraged". Even Imelda Marcos (then First Lady) was reported to be alarmed at the adverse effects of self-flagellation on the Filipino image abroad. Yet despite this potent, vociferous, and on occasion vitriolic opposition, self-flagellation continued to increase in popularity. source

When the revelations of Paul Williams homosexual rape of his own young son reached the congregation they should have chosen a radical penitent response to express their outrage. This should not have been ceremonial and symbolic response but a heart-broken response to the fact that one of their own associates raped his son.

I'm sure that there have been many who left the Church without saying they are leaving because they don't want anything to do with a Church who has a homosexual on staff. God bless them! However the world needed to hear from them. The reaction toward Steve Gaines was not the response. It had little to do with Williams and more to do about his failings to duplicate Rogers leadership.

The people who left because of Steve Gaines have no connection toward Williams crime.

I want to keep my outrage alive in order that no one will forget. WARNING WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ IS VERY PORNOGRAPHIC. IF DESCRIPTIONS OF SEXUAL ACTS IN GRAPHIC DETAILS BOTHER OR OFFEND YOU, DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER!

When Bellevue was building it's new magnificent edifice on Appling Road, "Love Worth Finding" was getting off the ground and Adrian Rogers , approaching his 50th year in ministry, was drafting the "Family Life" statement to be presented to the SBC commission to be included in the BF&M. Paul Williams was fucking his own son, unknown by Rogers. There was a lengthy period of time, 12-18 months. He was forcing his son to do "perverse, egregious sexual" things to his own son. It was called , officially, a "moral failure" legalese by lawyers to avoid shame, disgrace and liability. Attempts at confidentiality and legalese forces ordinary people to surmise what "egregious and perverse" means. Lawyers design reports that mean that you can only allege what took place especially if efforts have been made to avoid prosecution, which seems consistent with Bellevue. Prosecution of Williams was of lesser importance than defending their credibility. The opposite took place, Bellevue's lack of response left the Church disgraced.

So I allege that Pastor Williams forced his enlarged adult penis into the very small, unlubricated anus of his son, Chris Williams. He forced his son to make physical and chemical adjustments to rush his body into strong puberty, greater than any young boy should ever have to experience. By the grace of God I can assume that Chris fought this adjustment so that he became neither a homosexual nor a deviant pedophile.

This struggle for Chris has been difficult beyond what most of us can never comprehend. His wife has had to join him in this struggle and she has endured more pain than most wives will ever know.

Allegedly there had been oral sex of father and son. He has serviced his son and and forced his son to service him. Mutual sex of both have been shameful to Chris and the pain of this must be unbearable. Again this took place for 12-18 months.

Now if this offends you, it should, it demonstrates the true perverseness of the act. It is that which Paul says even the pagans won't speak about. I am writing about sexual matters you will not find if you try. There are adult men who seduce young boys but not THEIR OWN SONS.

An associate working with Adrian Rogers at Bellevue Baptist Church seen by all driving on I-40 east and west bound to and from Nashville. Three large crosses, that should be dismantled and sold for scrap iron for partial payment to Chris Williams.

added: You might ask, Charles, "why are you using such language?" It is the only way anyone will listen and know the severity of this sin. I do not want to stand before God in judgement having not said these things. Worst still I do not want to be a part of those who have said that homosexuality is a "moral failure", "indiscretion" and "lapse of judgement". I don't want to be a a part of the people who have paid lawyers $1000's of peoples' hard earned offerings to come up with inoffensive words. Should I fear your response or God's judgement. I fear God's judgement.

Stoning The Middle East

This video presents a view of the Islamic world toward American Christianity, especially the first few minutes. They are saying it is a culture of outright declaration of war from radical Islam on western culture. It is an effort to undermine the very foundation of Christianity.

It is not just a view against Hollywood, homosexuality and lavish lifestyles but there is an anger toward the Christian religion. As evangelicals and fundamentalist we think that we are in their good graces because we are conservative and fundamental. We think that we share a common enemy of sinfulness.

Not so! Perry Stones' video demonstrates a view we Christians hold that is offensive to them.
These four girls illustrate the very foundation they despise about our beliefs. They are in the market place, at the well, virgins, acting like silly flirtatious harlots. This demonstrates that we are not concerned about properly discerning and respecting their culture. This may seem petty to us but it is very central to their thinking and it is offensive.

The Arabic youth is conducting himself improperly before these "virgins." The repercussions of this theology had deep roots in why America is the immoral nation it is.

1) You have their "virgins" acting like harlots. I ask a friend of mine who is a minister in a Jewish Christian congregation and he immediately agreed with me.

2) Unless you are willing to admit it you have our young daughters acting like harlots. This is not just directed toward our young but our feminine culture are acting in dress and conduct like harlots. The middle east sees this!

3) You are exporting a false gospel abroad and hindering evangelism.

4) You are in fact a part of the reason why terrorist are attacking America.

Our gospel message itself should be offensive, the free grace of God apart from religious works should be the reason we are attacked. Sadly it is not, it is the convenient worldly life style our message promotes.

The Romance Of Salvation

The grace God offers is irresistible, however Grace, in the picture, is resistible! The offer of romance comes from the throne where a triune God sits. God, the father so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. The whole world is perishing but there are those who are believing and they are delivered from destruction.

The question is how did they come about to believe? Jesus told Nicodemus, "you must be born again to see the kingdom of God!" The new birth does not proceed from any human knowledge.
If it did a master in Israel would surely be born again! There is no human cooperation in the new birth. It defies logic to think otherwise. The dead, though physically alive as flesh and blood and mental capabilities, have no inclination, are not just marred, in seeking God, no not one.

There is no work of righteousness that cooperates with the Spirit in regeneration. Our salvation is arranged by decrees of God and long before we were born or any sin committed, including Adam and Eve. Our salvation is according to the pleasure of his will, not the pleasure of our will.

Like our western concept of marriage we sing "Love and Marriage." Courtship, flirtations and dating lead to an engagement for matrimony. Biblical marriages are arranged and purchased. Romance before marriage is prohibited and must be contained modestly. Marriage and love.
The wife submits to her husband and he then wins her love. Yes, indeed, there is wooing and it builds a strong relationship. The husband grows in his love for his wife and she submits to that love. A relationship is grown.

Our salvation is arranged by purchase apart from our intentions and we are reborn to new life.
We are wooed to repent, obey and be baptized after we are born again. We follow Christ in obedience and the Holy Spirit is accomplishing every phase along the way.

This grace is irresistible and it is effective toward the salvation for everyone believing. Everyone believing are the ones arranged for salvation. We call this election. All that the Father arranges to be saved are indeed saved and no one is lost. No not one! The power of Christ's blood saves to the uttermost. You are not perishing if He died for you. Are you listening to me!

Now at this point most preachers would like for you to believe that few are being saved. This adds to the fear factor in you coming forward with haste. Oh, what a deception! Jesus said, "in my father's house are many mansions" and if he didn't mean this he was a liar by his own admission. But you say, what about the wide and narrow ways? "Many are called but few are chosen?"

I am presenting to you the narrow way, crooked and treacherous, the way less traveled. You have been following a wide path, straight and unhindered, pragmatic and convenient. It has been determined by flesh and blood and scholarly wisdom via Rome, Britain and America, but it leads to disappointment in this life as well as the life to come. I did not say you were hell bound. You can be the elect and make bad decisions and follow false teaching. But you will be disappointed in the end. The qualitative destiny of the elect is determined by the elect. A sinner has no choice in any destiny as his end is determined.

Perry Stone, Stop This Nonsense, Please!

* Perry, new wine will burst old wine skins! What do I mean by old wine skins bursting? When we try to alter the knowledge of God in order to do that which is convenient then we risk the chance that God will give us up to uncleanness. Romans 1:24-32 He lets us go! The question is: has God let America go? Hopefully not but we are hanging by a thin thread!

I am not a Calvinist looking for a debate for the sake of debate but a concerned Christian seeking the truth about American evangelical/fundamentalism. I just happened to view your broadcast and was immediately checked in my heart about your message.


Naturally the conflicting theologies, Wesleyanism and Calvinism, differ as to the free offer to the sinner. You gestured with your fingers the wooing of the sinner to God's grace. This gesture implies allurement and enticement. It can be innocent as well as evil. An evil man full of lust would use this gesture to attract an innocent victim. The same gesture can imply an effort to lure a stray cat from a dangerous situation.


Biblically we both know that the sinner is dead spiritually and no gesture will draw him away from destruction. You believe that a divine enablement is provided to the spiritually dead sinner to prompt him to accept God's invitation for salvation. ** I believe that work of enablement is regeneration (new birth). John 3:3


The Calvinist view is consistent with the Biblical wedding tradition. A marriage is arranged against the back drop of girls being captured for marriage. (Before Abraham, women were hardly ever mentioned in genealogical list. With Abram's family "sons and daughters" were mentioned.) The salvific arrangement is an a spiritual union apart from choice.

The concept of choice in salvation came with European enlightenment. The modern concepts of romantic allurement before marriage is of Mediterranean decent. French, Spanish and Italians' romance cultures provided the way for Victorian chivalry and western marriages as we know it today.

To attempt to make the offer of salvation "convenient" by accommodating modern western wedding traditions, using Biblical wedding customs alters the written knowledge we have of God handed down from olden times. America Christianity as we know it today are "covenant breakers" without understanding; we are without natural affection.

Perry, your presentation illustrates this acidic message that defiles the knowledge of God.

*VOE Resolution of Accountability If this is a true statement then Pery Stone is not profiting from product sales and I was wrong in stating so, previously.
**Unconditional Eternal Security, Myth or Truth?, French L. Arrington p. 15